Final Tribal Council

[Host]

Just a note, everything will take place in this thread. It is annoying as hell to track everything into 7 different threads in my opinion, so just post in this thread. Because I leave Monday morning, I wanna get this done ASAP. Normally I have a usual write up schedule that I wanna try to stick to, but that's out the window this season. So Jurors can start their questioning and Jamie/Lillian can post their opening statements whenever they are ready. Just get everything done ASAP though. Good luck!

[Jennifer "Dragon Slayer" Lyon]

I suggest both finalists study up on Lady Gaga music.

[Jamie Newton]

Okay Hey Each of you, I'd just like to say this was probably my favorite season of elite that I have played in, everyone had a over-the-top personality that made it pretty fun.

Now coming into this game I told myself two things that I will do. Those two things were to not let my ego get to my head, which I think I did a decent job on doing, I normally become very cocky like you had seen me do in my original season, and even in Vietnam. This game I toned it down a lot & tried very hard to fix the relationships I had fucked up in the past by with my ego.

The second thing is I told myself I wouldn't get tied up in past alliances or friends. I think I held to this very well, I tried working with people who I have had a hard time trusting such as Dan & Paloma & Ace & P-G. I normally would rely on Luis or my friends like Tom & Terry [who didn't make the cast] To get me really far. I didn't have anyone of my past friends help me get here I made it by making new friendships with people like Nick & Jed & Jonwho helped me a lot in getting where I am.


I really felt like I had a tougher route on getting to the final two, not taking anything away from Lillians game, but I feel she relied on her old friendship & didn't do anything new in this game she played the exact same game she has played for multiple seasons, by going along with people she always works with. I feel like it was really hard for me to get here, I had gotten votes & every tribal besides the first tribal & the one that just past. I had to make sure in the switch my tribe won immunitys because If we had no there was not a doubt in my mind I would be leaving.

I know in the past a lot of you have had problems with me, which Is why i'm still amazed I made it this far, I hope you all give me a fair shot & vote for who you really think played a better game.

[Lillian Morris]

Well first off to respond to what Jamie said, I disagree with that. Once we were down to 7 there was not a single person in the game I had ever been closely allied with in a past game. In fact if you look at just this series I have actually never aligned with the same person twice in past seasons, except for Tunisia/All-Stars I with James/Frosti but they backstabbed me in Tunisia so I don’t count that. And they were not in this game that I know of.

Anyways, I will keep this short because I think I’ll cover more in my answers.

I feel like I was alone for a large portion of this game. I was the one person to start off on the opposite tribe of the rest of the people from my season, which made the beginning tough for me. I wanted desperately to team up with Sandy, Jenn and Tijuana but I had to make new allies. On my original tribe I talked most to Paloma and Jed. I had to double cross Paloma to get Candace to keep me at one point, but I still kept talking with Jed and we were fairly close.

At the merge I kinda felt like I was on both sides, but I ended up voting for Jamie because I thought that is what Candace and her alliance wanted, and I felt like I still owed them. So it’s ironic Candace ended up being the vote that got Tijuana out. After that I was VERY confused. I had to go the rest of the game playing both sides. Once it got down to me and all of the guys every vote seemed to be Nick VS Jed so I just tried to make sure neither of them left. They didn’t seem to communicate much so I figured if they were both in they’d both target eachother and try to win over my vote. This almost worked but Nick definitely outplayed me at f4 to finally cut down my plan for f3.

Still I think I played a pretty good game and I truly relied on only myself to get where I am.

Good luck, Jamie.

[Jamie Newton]

oops i forgot to say good luck lill, i deff meant to say it :-)

[Candace Smith]

Hi Jamie & Lill.

I am so happy you two are the final two for many reasons:

1 - You both deserved AS.
2 - You both have communicated with me.
3 - You both think Paloma is mentally unstable. (No confirmation on this, its assumed)

Anyways, when it comes to a Final Tribal like this, my mind is always going to change. I actually came in here planning to vote for Jamie because he hasn't won the series yet. But then I thought that I should vote for Lillian because of her X chromosome. Then it hit me, as the only black juror on the jury, I am going to have to vote for someone who represents me. But then I thought, it's just a game why do I have to play the race card.

I am not voting based on strategy. Strategy is so 2008. I am voting on who I feel better winning personally. So personally:

Jamie -
- Has not won before (+)
- Canadian (+)
- Cocky bastard* (+)

*However you were not a cocky bastard here so that turns into a (-). BE YO' SELF.

Lillian -
- Female (+)
- Played Lillian Morris (+)

So we're tied at 2-2. I'm just thinking aloud right now basically.

Anyways, Jamie, you said that you didn't want to be cocky. However, that made you a boring strategy bot. I have strategy-bots because, again, it's so 2008. WHY CAN'T PEOPLE PLAY WITH PERSONALITY?

Lillian, you played Lillian, I expected you to be an emotional wreck. I only saw this occurrence once. That was when you voted off Nick (who btw, wasn't going to get any jury votes because he has never and never will contain a personality in games).

I think you both tried to played it safe to not become a target. I think that was the rules on Octavian though, since Paloma was being Satan.

If you were on Timberious, Tyberus? Tibeierius? What the fuck was the name again? If you were on my tribe in the beginning, would you still play boringly?

What did you add to this game personality-wise? I don't care if you were fake, I don't care if your goal was to be an INVGODDESS. My point is, why do you think it is politically accepted that someone MUST play a strategic boss to win?

I won Vietnam because... I don't even know why but I didn't really do much strategy-wise. However, I was a colorful personality and that is why I am here.

Jamie, I know you want this win badly. You probably should've won Hawaii (your own fault, you voted me off first).

Lillian, I don't know how bad you want this but I think I know you want it enough to vote off the useless players (Jonathan, Ethan, Nick). You went far in Faroe and probably would've have gotten my vote if you made final two over Jenn. However, I know Jamie much better so it's going to be hard for you to sway my vote against him.

Anyways to my questions:

Jamie, why did you think it was necessary for you to become a boring strategy-bot? I liked cocky Jamie. Yes it caused your demise in Vietnam but that was only because I trusted Corinne more. It wasn't because you were cocky. I like your cockyness.

Lillian, why were you more of an emotional wreck? I mean, I understand that you want to win the game. But winning the game by being a boring strategy-bot sucks. Adding your own spunk and personality into a game makes it fun for you, no matter if you don't win. You did this in SI even though you chose the worst representative ever. (Splenda needs to die.)

I will vote who I feel should win. Not because of who played the better game. Playing with emotions is an easier vote to sway, jsyk.

Thank you,

Candace Smith
Sole Survivor Of Vietnam
Black Cuntress

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[Jamie Newton]

Okay so hey Candace.

If i was on Tiberius? I would have played completely different. Your tribe dynamic was about being out there & not caring about what people said about you. I would not have been as excentric about it as you Jenn or Sandy, but I would have let loose a lot more in this game.


As per me being a boring strategy bot? I don't know about that. Have you ever seen the real Jamie on the TV show? If so you would know he was super paranoid, & went around to EVERYONE making sure he was never getting a vote each round. In the start he just laid back & went with the flow, Jamie was never a very exciting character BUT he was memorable for his paranoia breakdown.

I feel like I did the same as him, You know early on i just laid back & wasn't very exciting, I know you didn't like this but it is how Jamie played the game, You played the game much like Candace, you said what you think & didn't care about others. Once the merge hit I felt like I was in a bad spot, much like Jamie I went around talking to everyone trying to ensure I never got a vote. I think you remember the conversation where you could see I got super paranoid about the vote & even tried getting you to flop on your friends. Thats a lot of what Jamie would do on the show. Jamie was willing to back stab his alliance to get further & become a villain, I feel like I did that too I felt like a villain near the end of this game sort of resorting back to cocky Jamie. So I may have been this "strategy-bot" but I at least played a lot like my actual character.


Your totally right about me wanting to win at least once in the series why the hell do you think I'm up @ 4AM trying to answer your question . I've busted my ass in the last 3 seasons I have played, but I feel like this game was all stars & this one deserved the most work out of them all. I played this game with no remorse over my actions & i really do not regret what I did to get here because this game was about playing your hardest to get here & I feel like I've done this. The other thing about all star games is I feel like they are about fixing your mistakes, I've made a ton of mistakes in past seasons, if you want an example check out the TC Burton was voted off last season or even the final TC of Hawaii, this time around I really cleaned up my act & had to set aside my normally cocky & fun personality, Lillian's personality is pretty much the same every season & she didn't have to fight nearly as hard to get here as me because people always like to make the target out of the people they feel are loud & obnoxious & have bad reputations this game that was me. So If you think I was a boring strategy bot you can think that but I really did let a tiny bit of personality shine threw during the course of this game.

& to the point of why you I think people have to play strategically to get to the finals? I think that stereotype is there because everyone wants to be on the real show & they all wanna be like Parvarti & Todd & Yul who were all really smart & people want to be known as smart, but people forget that theres many ways to play the game & not only strategically.. You can be a challenge whore like Ozzy or even someone who no one will ever forget like Sugar [] or J.T for there personality. You can win a game for more than just strategy & your a testament to that in your win for Vietnam.

[Jennifer "Dragon Slayer" Lyon]

Hey Final 2.

I am very pleased to see the 2 of you at the end because my old dumb tribe had 7 freaking people at merger and they decide to take each other out instead of just finishing the Octavian massacre.

1. Hottest picture of Lady Gaga. Do some research. I want a really hot one.

2. Compare your gameplay to one of her songs.

3. Compare your opponents gameplay to one of her songs.

4. What is my favorite song of hers?

5. Trashtalk Sierra.

6. Say great things about Lady Gaga.

7. Talk about your impact on Elite Survivor. This is very important to me because some of the All-Stars here have made HUGE impact on this series like myself. Not to sound conceited tho.

8. Any last words to get my vote?

Good luck and may Lady Gaga be with you.

[Nick Stanbury]

Candice is obviously a jealous bitch that my alliance [aka the "Useless Players"] voted the bitch off and got everyone else to do it with them.

Bitch, walk the fuck off my stage you hater ass.

[Candace Smith]

Nick, you didn't deserve All-Stars. What did you accomplish in Vietnam? Nothing.

[Lillian Morris]

Jamie, of course my personality is the same. I’m not bipolar and I wasn’t trying to play the role of my character this season. But you didn’t either. =/ And I did have to fight hard. I didn’t have a good relationship with a single member of my original tribe before the game started. And I’m a double winner which obviously makes me a target.

Answers for Candace
Thanks for the compliments, tbh I am a little surprised. As for my vote for Nick, I think I would have lost against him because he most likely would have gotten Ethan, Jon & Jamie for sure, and there’s a good chance he could sway another vote, since I didn't feel like there was anyone who's vote I would 100% have against him (except for maybe Sandy after the Vietnam finale). So that is why I decided that.

If you were on Timberious, Tyberus? Tibeierius? What the fuck was the name again? If you were on my tribe in the beginning, would you still play boringly?

If I was on your tribe at the beginning I wouldn’t have played the same way at all because I would have started off feeling a lot more confident. I had to hold back on my tribe due to not really knowing or having a good relationship with anyone. So my goal was to fit in and pretend to agree with all the bashing that went on of your tirbe.

What did you add to this game personality-wise? I don't care if you were fake, I don't care if your goal was to be an INVGODDESS. My point is, why do you think it is politically accepted that someone MUST play a strategic boss to win?

TBH I didn’t try to add a crazy personality or play the role of Lill in this game. I don’t think anyone really tried to play a role other than you, Sandy, Candace & Tijuana. Most of the people on my tribe were serious so acting like I did as Sugar or Joanna would get me voted out early.

And for the second part I think it’s because most people would like to think that smart people will have success in life. But as we all know from RL and Survivor on TV people like Amber and George Bush seem to get by just fine.

Lillian, why were you more of an emotional wreck? I mean, I understand that you want to win the game. But winning the game by being a boring strategy-bot sucks. Adding your own spunk and personality into a game makes it fun for you, no matter if you don't win. You did this in SI even though you chose the worst representative ever. (Splenda needs to die.)

Playing as Sugar was fun. But you know what wasn’t fun? Being out first. Playing as Charlotte (only people who have played in a series called Global Survivor will know what I’m talking about =P) was fun. But it wasn’t fun to get beaten by people who hated my guts and sole goal was to make it further than me. That’s annoying, not fun. I am a competitive person and to me winning is fun. I really feel like acting at all like I did in a couple of the past seasons would have made me too big a target. And losing is most definitely not fun.

[Jennifer "Dragon Slayer" Lyon]

Questions up.

[Candace Smith]

Jun 27, 2009 8:57:24 GMT -5 Jennifer "Dragon Slayer" Lyon said:

1. Hottest picture of Lady Gaga. Do some research. I want a really hot one.

[Candace Smith]

Do I win Jenn's vote now?

I haven't decided my vote yet. It's really hard actually decided since I think you both should win but in different ways. If there is anything you need to say, you can say it because it will ultimately affect my vote.

[Jennifer "Dragon Slayer" Lyon]

You always have my vote Candy. And LOL at ur sig.